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  The last video in the 2016 convention...

  by problemaddict 2 in

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  ...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

  bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

  he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

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  joey jojo

  The whole thing reminded me of the Simpsons episode about the 'Movementarian' cult.

  

  Even the outfits are the same.
  
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  JW Video Armageddon to occur before 2040

  by Listener in

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  2. bible

  sorry i thought it was a new morning worship video but it is 6 months old and has already been discussed on here..  it is presented by gb helper k flodin and about this generation.

  the delusion and hypocrisy runs deep.. he reminds the cult members not to speculate because they aren't supposed to know the day or the hour.

  then he proceeds to speculate that armageddon will occur before 2040.. https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201511_3_video.

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  At about 5min 55 secs Flodin makes this statement:,

  'And consider this significant point; there's nothing.....nothing in Jesus' prophecy that suggests those of the second group, alive at the time of the end would all be old, decrepit and close to death. There's no reference to age.'

  Well, please consider my significant point; theres nothing....nothing in Jesus' prophecy that remotely mentions a second group. You are fabricating a story to make a square peg fit into a round hole. A round hole that doesn't exist.

  An elder friend of mine that admitted to struggling with the new 'understanding' told me that he felt better after Splanes video. His reason? Simply because a member of the anointed had explained it. My reply was, 'explained what?'
  
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  "Can we question leadership?" Check out the Morman answer....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. friends

  http://stakepresident.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/can-members-question-church-doctrine.html.

  how interesting!

  see a similarity?.

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  joey jojo

  Was having an amiable business meeting with a mormon recently and he was telling me how they don't drink alcohol.

  I mentioned that the first miracle performed by jesus was turning water into wine.

  He told me that it was his understanding that the wine mentioned in this case was 'pure grape juice ' and not alcoholic.

  Belief truly is the enemy of reason.
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  You know, I've yet to meet a JW who can explain this

  by Lady Zombie in

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  i know that has probably been covered ad infinitum on jwd.

  so...... if jehovah is omnipotent, then there is nothing he can't do and nothing he doesn't know.. and, according to jws (as well as most other religions), god is love.

  therefore he had to have known, even before creating all of creation, what would happen.

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  This is the exact question someone asked me while I was witnessing to them in field service one morning. I opened my mouth to give him the usual 'parrot-like' response about free-will and the sovereignty debate between God and Satan and I found that my answer didn't satisfy me- and definitely not the house-holder.

  It is one of the 1000 cuts of death that caused me to fade.

  I always assumed God knew EVERYTHING that had happened and was ever going to happen, I mean doesn't the bible say that 'God knows the end from the beginning?' Isa 46:10.

  The main problem apologists have with this is of course that if God knew that man was going to have thousands of years of pain and grief because of sin, as a loving God, why would he let that happen- just to prove man has 'free will'?

  I was thinking about this subject again recently and checked on jw.org to see what the 'current thinking' was.

  The June 1st, 2006 Watchtower contains this jaw-dropping gem:

  17 Jehovah apparently chose not to foresee what Adam—and Eve—would do, even though He has the ability to know everything in advance. It is therefore a question, not of whether Jehovah can foresee the future, but of whether he chooses to do so. Furthermore, we can reason that Jehovah, being a God of love, would not knowingly and cruelly predetermine that rebellion—with all its sad consequences—should take place. (Matthew 7:11; 1 John 4:8) Thus, as far as Jehovah’s exercise of foreknowledge is concerned, it is selective.

  So, here we have the wts, who seemingly understand the 'mind of God', saying that God has 'selective knowledge'.

  Selective knowledge implies, (to me anyway), that God DOES know what is coming but chooses to ignore it, otherwise, how can he 'select' which knowledge to notice and which to ignore?

  It also treats God with great disrespect, suggesting that he is like an engineer that has set some machinery in motion yet chooses not to think about the consequences. Kind of hard to believe if you also accept that God has created the stars, put them all in their place and knows their names.

  Never ceases to amaze me how far the borg will go to defend their beliefs.
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  epica- ice cores

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  epica- european project for ice coring in antarctica.. kind of old news but fascinating.

  over the last 10 years or so, this organisation has analysed ice core samples taken from antarctica.

  drilling more than 3000 metres into the permafrost, they produced the longest, continuous record of earths climate extending back almost 800 000 years.

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  Nice cornbread. Sorry, I missed your original post. This stuff is hard to argue with and unless researchers discover the science they use to analyse this data is wrong, it's yet another logical reason for everyone not to simply accept traditional or faith -based explanations of the earth's history.
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  epica- ice cores

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  epica- european project for ice coring in antarctica.. kind of old news but fascinating.

  over the last 10 years or so, this organisation has analysed ice core samples taken from antarctica.

  drilling more than 3000 metres into the permafrost, they produced the longest, continuous record of earths climate extending back almost 800 000 years.

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  epica- European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica.

  Kind of old news but fascinating. Over the last 10 years or so, this organisation has analysed ice core samples taken from Antarctica

  Drilling more than 3000 metres into the permafrost, they produced the longest, continuous record of earths climate extending back almost 800 000 years. Yes, eight hundred THOUSAND years.

  Interestingly, no evidence of Noahs flood. These core samples closely match others taken from Greenland which date to over 100 000 years old. They use several kinds of dating techniques from independent sources to verify the ages of these core samples. Young earth creationists, of course, have done their best to try and discredit this research. I did a quick search on JW.org for 'ice core samples' and found no mention of them.
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  Were you beaten as a child?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been confronting my mother with her dubious parenting skills (abuse) of me as a child.

  particularly the beatings i would get with the wooden spoon.

  not a light smack but hitting me as hard as she could for as long as she could.

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  My parents were pretty reasonable with corporal punishment. Definitely got the belt from dad and the feather duster and electrical cord from Mum but only once or twice. Never fists or slapped faces.

  My cousins though- a different story. They were JW's (not anymore) and my Aunty would do anything to her daughters. Electric cords across the back of bare legs, purple bruises and broken skin. I saw her break a wooden spoon on my 10 yr old cousins arm and keep hitting her with the handle. Brushes, fists, bamboo canes. My wife got it almost the same from her parents growing up as JW's. Hardly any of the behaviour warranted the ridiculous punishments some kids got.

  When I think about the real little bastards, the kids that always misbehaved, even though they got beaten regularly, they still acted out, that's why I doubt corporal punishment really works. Maybe in some cases but not all.

  Ahh the 70's, the good old days.
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  LettMorrisSplaneit, enjoy....

  "Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the 'great tribulation' would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we bring a heart of wisdom in,' not by speculating about how many years or days makeup a generation, but by thinking about how we 'count our days' in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term 'generation' as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics." - November 1 1995 Watchtower, page 16.

  Remember the line from the kingdom song based on Ps 90:10?, 'our years are 70 - or 80, if we have special mightiness'.

  AMAZINGLY.. exactly 81 years from 1914, there was suddenly 'new light'!! But only after the prophecy had failed.
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  I COLLECT QUOTES. . . Here are some of my favorites

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please post your favorites too.

  my favorite quotations:.

  you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.. don’t think of cost.

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  joey jojo

  'Not everyone you fight is your enemy, not everyone that helps you is your friend'.

  'Assumption is the mother of all cock-ups'.
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Honest

  'I was told by my young jw nephew that the society never said that the generation that saw 1914 will not pass away. Then I looked at him and said dude you weren't born yet and that was most certainly the Teaching and to go home and ask his parents. he never brang it up again. '

  Honest, this is exactly what disturbs me about all this.

  Just like 1975, how long before no one will remember, or admit to remembering, the original understanding of the 1914 generation?

  Whenever you claim to represent God and publish teachings in his name, preach these teachings to the world as truth, then change them, that's called blasphemy, presumptuousness and bringing reproach to God's name.